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Rise of the Planet of the Apes 
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Inspired by the trailer, I went on the hunt for the original five movies and found the boxed set used for $25. I'm going to try and watch them before this remake is released.

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ewilen wrote:
Hasn't anyone here seen the original five films?

They're all dark, except possibly the last (which wasn't very good). The first is a classic late 60's-70's dystopian kick in the guts.

Based on the Wikipedia article, this one sounds like it could be somewhere between okay and quite good (the cast alone arguing for the latter). But I don't see the point of doing a remake other than capitalizing on baby boomers' memories.


Hell, I saw them in the theatre, Elliot. This isn't a remake, it's a prequel, an entirely different proposition.

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I only remember the first one. I was horrified by Burton's attempt* and honestly can't work up any interest for this one.

*Oliver Stone's planned remake of Planets was to be some Christian parable thingie, which sounded interesting at the time and I was mildly interested in Burton's remake, enough to drag myself to the cinema, it too had a good cast - ok, maybe except for Walhberg....

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Hell, I saw them in the theatre, Elliot. This isn't a remake, it's a prequel, an entirely different proposition.

Now that's impressive.

I was under the impression that one of the original actually was an origin story, but I could be wrong about that. I also think that in the original novel, either one ape got uplifted from going into space or an ape from space came down to planet earth.

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walkerp wrote:
flyingmice wrote:
Hell, I saw them in the theatre, Elliot. This isn't a remake, it's a prequel, an entirely different proposition.

Now that's impressive.

I was under the impression that one of the original actually was an origin story, but I could be wrong about that. I also think that in the original novel, either one ape got uplifted from going into space or an ape from space came down to planet earth.


Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is indeed an origin story, but it didn't look at all like what I saw on the trailer.

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Sure they're dark - the explore themes of nuclear holocaust, racism, imperialism, genocide, and so on. But they offer a glimmer of hope, too.
Taken as a whole, yes. At various points (depending on when the series might have ended--that is, if we look at them as "sequels not guaranteed"), it's hopeless either for humanity or for life altogether. The first movie in particular can stand all by itself.

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For me, the second movie was the worst of the lot - even though as a kid I was profoundly moved by the last scene, and the memory of it (along with Nova's first words) still haunts me somewhat.
James Franciscus's weaknesses as an actor were lot less apparent to me when I was a kid, and there were also failures of exposition and motivation (particularly toward the end) that somehow didn't affect me originally. I think sometimes as a kid you just "get it" and fill in the gaps. Nevertheless, the sheer vision of the second movie, the way it took on a wild, visionary, creepy science fiction aspect, is pretty strong.

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Overall, it was a great series of movies. The creators were trying to hold a mirror up to society, and really succeeded at that. This is where I think the current one will fail. They'll probably put too much emphasis on the CG and try to wow with the action instead of with the intellect.

My expectations are usually low for fantasy/sci-fi/speculative hollywood movies, and yet I keep hoping someone will come along who gets it.

I agree on all counts. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised. The Hollywood Solaris was somewhat of a betrayal of the book & original (Tarkovsky) movie, but it was still pretty good. Twelve Monkeys was quite excellent IMO. That's about all I can think of for the last couple-plus decades.


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flyingmice wrote:
Hell, I saw them in the theatre, Elliot. This isn't a remake, it's a prequel, an entirely different proposition.

A prequel to what? The connection to the Tim Burton film is flimsy. Based on the synopsis I read, and the trailer, this is somewhere between a remake and a "reimagining" of Conquest. It's certainly closer to Conquest in terms of plot and theme than Burton/Wahlburg was to Heston.

Having seen the trailer, though, my expectations just took a dive.

I still stand by this: no point in recycling the name, concept, and even the typeface, other than to exploit memories.


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Hollywood is dead.

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ewilen wrote:
I agree on all counts. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised. The Hollywood Solaris was somewhat of a betrayal of the book & original (Tarkovsky) movie, but it was still pretty good. Twelve Monkeys was quite excellent IMO. That's about all I can think of for the last couple-plus decades.


Funny thing is, Lem thought the Tartovsky version didn't really "get" his book. I liked 12 Monkey's and found La jetée kind of gimmicky but in a good way. The genre has produced some interesting films like Alphaville, Pi, Clockwork Orange, The Omega Man, The Stepford Wives, Brother from Another Planet, just to name a few.

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Just to throw some marginally relevant trivia into the mix...
One of my favorite films was an adaptation of a novel by the same author whose novel, La planète des singes, was adapted for Planet of the Apes.

In that case the movie was better than the book.

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